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The Batman Director Teases the Future of ‘Insidious’ Joker

Matt Reeves’ The Batman is currently breaking box office records as the second film to top $100 million since the pandemic began, but all many can think of is what the director has planned for the following. The Robert Pattinson-led Caped Crusader reboot teases at least several classic and modern Batman villains, but the only one on fans’ minds is the Joker.

However, despite the ending directly teasing Barry Keoghan’s Joker to the audience, director Matt Reeves clarified that it was not a guarantee that Keoghan’s Joker would return in the sequel. Instead, Reeves explained that “he completes the arc of the Riddler” and he felt The Batman would be less without it.


But, the post-credits scene of The Batman showed audiences a link to the Riddler website seen in the film, which sported a slow-paced loading screen. Many had anticipated a match for the sequel, which seemed to be the case, as it was accompanied by a message from Riddler saying that he was safe in Arkham with his new friend and that, “We will see you again soon.”

Despite all of this, Reeves still doesn’t know when and where Keoghan’s Joker will appear next in a new interview.

Joker’s Insidious Take on Human Nature


In an interview with Geek’s Lairdirector Matt Reeves was asked if he felt the need to reimagine the Joker, like he did the Riddler, in future sequels. The Batman.


Reeves reaffirmed that the Joker’s appearance at the end of The Batman has been “more contextual” and not a clue about what’s next as Reeves “I can not tell” if they want “do it specifically” in all sequences or not:

“His appearance at the end of the movie is really more contextual, so I can’t say if we would specifically do that in the movies or not.”

However, he goes on to describe his take on the Joker, once again referring to The man who Laughs and how Keoghan is “a pre-Joker Joker:”

“What you see is a pre-Joker Joker actually we would go back to the Conrad Veidt⁠—The man who Laughs inspiration, which is the Bob Kane/Bill Finger reference.”

The director draws comparisons with The Phantom of the Opera and how Reeves’ Joker would be unable not to smile due to a congenital condition and how unlike how The Elephant Man showed how a “the grotesque outward appearance belied the beauty within,” he would rather inform Joker’s “insidious” view of the world and men:


“Obviously this guy has a congenital condition, it’s like The Phantom of the Operahe cannot fail to smile and that instead of being the story of The Elephant Manwhere all of his grotesque outward appearance belied the inner beauty, that that would form his nihilistic worldview and that he would have an insidious understanding of human nature and so that’s kind of where that psychology came from and who that guy would be.

Where will Batman’s Joker appear next?

Much of what Matt Reeves said in this Joker interview has already been said, but it’s remarkable and understandable that the future of Joker in his universe is still not set in stone. After all, as Reeves points out, this is a “pre-Joker” Joker who has not yet become the Clown Prince of Crime.

It was also revealed that the Gotham PD show for HBO Max has “evolved” in a series centered on Arkham Asylum. Reeves even likened it to “a horror movie or a haunted house”, who would explore “the world of Arkham as it relates when coming out of [The Batman].”

Thus, given the end of The Batmanas well as the Riddler’s cryptic message on his website, it’s highly likely Paul Dino’s Riddler and Barry Keoghan’s Joker will make an appearance in this Arkham Asylum-focused series after becoming friends.


The Batman is currently playing in theaters with a sequel slated for release in “less than five years.”